Justin Isis and James Nicholas discuss working at Square Enix, linearity vs nonlinearity in video games, writing and designing a poetry collection, Grand Theft Auto, Shadow of the Colossus, Ezra Pound, Umihara Kawase, B.S. Johnson, Aleister Crowley, the upcoming Mark Samuels tribute anthology, how "genre means you're lazy," the unspeakable horror of Eibonvale Press, Japanese hip-hop, and causing chaos in Tokyo.